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October 21, 2011

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Alan Richard

While I agree with much of what you say here, I don't agree with the idea that we had "real" capitalism at one time and now we don't. On some level, the story that capitalists tell about capitalism has always been a fantasy. Different proponents of capitalism have depicted it fictionally, but it's never actually existed for the simple reason that actual capitalists derive profits by externalizing the costs of production and some of these externalized costs have always been so large that only the state can absorb them. So the means of production have never been entirely in private hands. Mussolini's corporatism sounded more radical than it was because corporatism has always, to some degree, lurked behind the mirage of the "free market" and "private capital."

Christopher

I mostly agree with your sentiment (just like Alan). I would question, then, what is 'real' capital? To me, it echoes the sentiment that capital is 'real' when it is attached to a material (i.e. gold) standard, but that seems to ignore the processes which create the valuation of capital as capital in the first place. In other words, I think that even with some kind of material 'reality', capital is still virtual and non-existent.

John

I quite like the cultural criticism that Adbusters communicates, but the graphics, color and layout of its magazine is far to bleak and dark for me - be careful what you visualize and thus pray for, or invoke.

Meanwhile Real Politics for Real Grown-Up people via:

http://www.dabase.org/not2p1.htm
http://www.beezone.com/news.html
http://www.dabase.org/coopdoub.htm written in the mid 70's

Real Religion for Real Grown-Up adults as distinct from frightened children & their mommy/daddy "creator"-God, and angry adolescents

http://www.adidam.org/teaching/aletheon/truth-religion.aspx
http://www.beezone.com/up/criticismcuresheart.html

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